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ferdinand
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| Quote: | | A senior official tells ABC News the "hot" teapot remained in use at the hotel for several weeks after Litvinenko's death before being tested in the second week of December. The official said investigators were embarrassed at the oversight. |
Do they wash teapots in English hotels ?
After weeks of daily washing in a big machine with all the other teapots, this one still bears forensic evidence the other ones have not ?
I'd like a word from Cheryl about that...
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Cheryl
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 8:44 am Post subject: |
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Good point, ferd.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 8:56 am Post subject: |
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| Cheryl wrote: | | Good point, ferd. |
Thx, Cheryl 
It seemed to me so obvious that I thought having some flawn(s) in my reasoning...
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Cheryl
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:05 am Post subject: |
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Of course, we've all seen teapots with that brown deposit on them. That could retain the polonium, although if it were washed with other teapots with brown deposit, they probably would pick it up too.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:26 am Post subject: |
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Sorry - was short on time so only posted the link for information.
1) The idea that the pot "remained in use" with "off the charts" polonium levels would suggest to me that we should have seen additional cases of poisoning. AFAIK there have not been,
2) Naming the suspect is not the same as proving that that suspect is guilty. Although determining the actual means of introduction of the polonium seems to me to get them a long ways towards proving their case - which seemed to be going nowhere fast up to now.
3) If that suspect is guilty, it still takes a lot more than the circumstances of his employment to prove that it was state-sanctioned.
Finally, the fact that this "story" hasn't broken conventionally (I pasted a link from an ABC news blog) may mean that it isn't true.
I think that we've batted around a very comprehensive set of varying theories of who may have committed this crime. There may be some closure coming that, while it may not solve the mystery entirely, looks to narrow the field of possibilities and motives considerably. |
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Cheryl
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:43 am Post subject: |
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| SteveS wrote: | | 1) The idea that the pot "remained in use" with "off the charts" polonium levels would suggest to me that we should have seen additional cases of poisoning. AFAIK there have not been, |
The media are notorious for their scare inaccuracies in anything having to do with radiation. It's possible that the polonium became chemically bound to the teapot or the brown deposit and wouldn't leach into later drinks. I would have sprinkled it on the food, myself, but that's without knowing the details.
| SteveS wrote: | | Finally, the fact that this "story" hasn't broken conventionally (I pasted a link from an ABC news blog) may mean that it isn't true. |
It's been in The Guardian. I think I saw it in the WaPo or NYT, too.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 3:16 am Post subject: |
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They cite no evidence, no names, they found a hot teapot that was remarkably overlooked for several weeks.(?) What forensic evidence and what intelligence reports they do not say. Didn't the headlines last week say it was the mystery man Vladimir, the one with the forged passport. Where is his picture?
Meanwhile the Russians want Berezovsky back in return for Lugovoi. Sounds like a fair trade. Let the trials begin.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,,1999128,00.html |
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SteveS
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:49 am Post subject: |
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A pattern is becoming difficult to dismiss. While Putin is probably not involved personally, it does appear that there is a pattern of violence directed against Putin's critics from the former soviet and russian intelligence services.
The Washington Post has more
We'll see where this goes, but if this latest shooting is a robbery - it would be very unusual for Adelphi - so the likely explanation is NOT a robbery. |
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ferdinand
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:03 am Post subject: |
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I guess there's some Bush critics assassinated by thugs in the USA, too.
Why not to say "Bush did it" ?
Oh, yes... stereotypes... Russians are bad, everyone knows that...
I think that there's something else than these obscure "seconds couteaux" what are much more deadly than them and who, in fact, may stand as better targets. Like the bastards neocons supporting AlQ thugs in Caucasus. Noone wonder why to kill poor little lackeys and not their masters ?
Next step may be : "Putin is a crypto neocon"... just wait.
Some decades ago, when there was not enough news to ink the papers, some French "journalists" used to write articles about a "serpent de mer", which, allegely, had been seen once more...
Now, it's Putin's guys killing around random people among his loosy critics...
All this will not stop Russia come back, anyways. 
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| SteveS wrote: | A pattern is becoming difficult to dismiss. While Putin is probably not involved personally, it does appear that there is a pattern of violence directed against Putin's critics from the former soviet and russian intelligence services.
The Washington Post has more
We'll see where this goes, but if this latest shooting is a robbery - it would be very unusual for Adelphi - so the likely explanation is NOT a robbery. |
Sounds like he was doing someones wife on the side
| Quote: | "I could not believe my ears when she said he was shot. She said Paul drove up to the house, and as he opened the door and left [the car], there were two guys, and they shot him," Kalugin said.
A source close to Joyal, who requested anonymity because the investigation is ongoing, said the unidentified assailants shot Joyal in the groin and escaped.
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ferdinand
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And, BTW, shoting someone in the groin then run away looks closer to an "histoire de cocus" than to any professionnal action. Which pro would go away without "finishing" the target ?
Oh... May be the $30M Polonium "poisonning" of Litvi drained all the money from the savings and "they" have to hire underpaid and underskilled hitmen, by now... 
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SteveS
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The WaPo backs down a little . Once again, still very very odd for the neighborhood. The involvement of the FBI (for our foreign friends - the FBI only has jurisdiction for interstate crime and certain other specific crimes such as espionage) obviously indicates the police have questions about motive.
More and more coincidences add up with Daniel McGrory - who was also featured on the TV show that Joyal was - dying of a heart attack. |
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ferdinand
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:26 am Post subject: |
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How creative ! 
Poison people with... Polonium !
Pay a roocky hitman...
Now use a medium for to kill from a distance with ESP...
Next ?
Oh, Tutankamon curse redirection, I guess...
BTW, all these people saying all that don't fear about the curse ?
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Cheryl
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:59 am Post subject: |
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More about Joyal.
Of course, a robbery can be cover for any number of other crimes.
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Pavel
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Did anybody of you hear about the man before he was shot down?
I just got the feeling that either I'm brainwashed or Western press become paranoid. |
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